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		<title>By: 21st century classrooms &#171; Educational Discourse</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>21st century classrooms &#171; Educational Discourse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Cathy Nelson at technotuesday has a good post regarding the whole idea of attending a conference and the issue of paying for such a thing. This made me think about schools and the whole idea of how we might be able to provide students with the opportunity to access classes. I did some inquiring about this with our IT and found that we would have a slight problem because of the limited bandwidth available through our network. Although it would not be impossible, it would cause a slowdown of the whole system while the Skype was in use.  This would possibly mean that, in order to provide such a service, we might have to have a dedicated line for this and it would then need to be covered through user fees. Is this a bad thing? I know many conferences that I have attended via the web have been without fees but they haven’t included streaming video or that “being there” feel for which I would be willing to pay a fee. For students who would like to choose another option other than attending classes, would it be unreasonable to charge a fee for services in order to cover cost? Or does this go against the idea of free public education? Of course, many schools charge fees for various educational activities so would this be any different? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cathy Nelson at technotuesday has a good post regarding the whole idea of attending a conference and the issue of paying for such a thing. This made me think about schools and the whole idea of how we might be able to provide students with the opportunity to access classes. I did some inquiring about this with our IT and found that we would have a slight problem because of the limited bandwidth available through our network. Although it would not be impossible, it would cause a slowdown of the whole system while the Skype was in use.  This would possibly mean that, in order to provide such a service, we might have to have a dedicated line for this and it would then need to be covered through user fees. Is this a bad thing? I know many conferences that I have attended via the web have been without fees but they haven’t included streaming video or that “being there” feel for which I would be willing to pay a fee. For students who would like to choose another option other than attending classes, would it be unreasonable to charge a fee for services in order to cover cost? Or does this go against the idea of free public education? Of course, many schools charge fees for various educational activities so would this be any different? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; 21st century learning Educational Discourse</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; 21st century learning Educational Discourse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Cathy Nelson at technotuesday has a good post regarding the whole idea of attending a conference and the issue of paying for such a thing. This made me think about schools and the whole idea of how we might be able to provide students with the opportunity to access classes. I did some inquiring about this with our IT and found that we would have a slight problem because of the limited bandwidth available through our network. Although it would not be impossible, it would cause a slowdown of the whole system while the Skype was in use.  This would possibly mean that, in order to provide such a service, we might have to have a dedicated line for this and it would then need to be covered through user fees. Is this a bad thing? I know many conferences that I have attended via the web have been without fees but they haven&#8217;t included streaming video or that &#8220;being there&#8221; feel for which I would be willing to pay a fee. For students who would like to choose another option other than attending classes, would it be unreasonable to charge a fee for services in order to cover cost? Or does this go against the idea of free public education? Of course, many schools charge fees for various educational activities so would this be any different? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cathy Nelson at technotuesday has a good post regarding the whole idea of attending a conference and the issue of paying for such a thing. This made me think about schools and the whole idea of how we might be able to provide students with the opportunity to access classes. I did some inquiring about this with our IT and found that we would have a slight problem because of the limited bandwidth available through our network. Although it would not be impossible, it would cause a slowdown of the whole system while the Skype was in use.  This would possibly mean that, in order to provide such a service, we might have to have a dedicated line for this and it would then need to be covered through user fees. Is this a bad thing? I know many conferences that I have attended via the web have been without fees but they haven&#8217;t included streaming video or that &#8220;being there&#8221; feel for which I would be willing to pay a fee. For students who would like to choose another option other than attending classes, would it be unreasonable to charge a fee for services in order to cover cost? Or does this go against the idea of free public education? Of course, many schools charge fees for various educational activities so would this be any different? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Long</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You certainly do NOT need yet another comment reading &quot;huge misunderstanding&quot;, and it is becoming more obvious that it is not the initial reaction that matters but the synthesized understanding that comes from getting feedback over time.

Since I was lucky enough to be included in your post above, I wanted to add some clarification for what it is worth:

1.  My original point in letting you know that &#039;attendance&#039; at BLC 08 will not require being in Boston, but can done virtually is thanks to Alan thinking of possibilities to increase attendance...not as a &#039;money-making scheme&#039;.  Hey, he is a consultant/speaker and business guy, so he has to pay for his offerings/events, but his intention is pretty straight forward. You can attend on a wide array of platforms in &#039;formal&#039; ways through his offerings.
2. The informal offerings -- such as Skypecasts that David Jakes and others provided so that you and I could interact without being in the same room -- will still undoubtedly occur; probably better tools available to facilitate the &#039;free&#039; version next year, too.
3.  If Alan (and team) blocked the on-the-fly versions (like the Skypecasts) in 08 to protect his bottom line, I&#039;d say that something vital was lost in the mix.  I think the best &#039;quality&#039; videos, etc., will be available via paid offerings through his partners who will help underwrite and guarantee server load, etc..  But the &#039;in process&#039; elements (like Skypecast) will most likely still be available for anyone.
4.  BTW, many of us -- like me -- use personal funds when my school/employer won&#039;t pay for my conferences...when I see it as a can&#039;t-pass-up moment for my larger career.  Even as a presenter, I paid out of my own pocket for the travel/hotel side of things, while Alan&#039;s team was kind enough to forgo the conference fees itself.   I never once felt held-back because someone else was not willing to pay for something I wanted to attend; I simply saw it as a life and professional investment.  The goal is to not just attend a great conference (by any means necessary) but to offer a presentation yourself. Sometimes this waives the conference tix fees; sometimes you actually get paid.  And when you aren&#039;t there F2F, we are all blessed in this day and age to even have virtual options. Beginning to complain because someone wants to pay for their efforts and to get paid in return has little value in the larger world of ideas/events.  Instead, we need to adore the gold-rush of virtual opportunities and info-share we do have.
5.  If you can&#039;t join &#039;em, build your own.  Why don&#039;t you create your own conference...just as Alan did 8 years ago...and see what happens? He had something like 50 people the first year, and probably not from around the world.  This year he doubled his participants from last year alone, so it wasn&#039;t too long ago that he was probably just barely breaking even.  This year and beyond? He&#039;ll probably do better, but not as a guarantee.  But again, he had a vision 8 years ago (or before)...and he built it on his terms.  How about your vision:  conference planner and presenter?

Cheers to you for pushing on the potential issue...and also for learning in transparent terms.  And so pleased that the virtual connections of BLC allowed the 2 of us to cross paths on many fronts. Good day to be alive and teach!

Cheers, Christian]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You certainly do NOT need yet another comment reading &#8220;huge misunderstanding&#8221;, and it is becoming more obvious that it is not the initial reaction that matters but the synthesized understanding that comes from getting feedback over time.</p>
<p>Since I was lucky enough to be included in your post above, I wanted to add some clarification for what it is worth:</p>
<p>1.  My original point in letting you know that &#8216;attendance&#8217; at BLC 08 will not require being in Boston, but can done virtually is thanks to Alan thinking of possibilities to increase attendance&#8230;not as a &#8216;money-making scheme&#8217;.  Hey, he is a consultant/speaker and business guy, so he has to pay for his offerings/events, but his intention is pretty straight forward. You can attend on a wide array of platforms in &#8216;formal&#8217; ways through his offerings.<br />
2. The informal offerings &#8212; such as Skypecasts that David Jakes and others provided so that you and I could interact without being in the same room &#8212; will still undoubtedly occur; probably better tools available to facilitate the &#8216;free&#8217; version next year, too.<br />
3.  If Alan (and team) blocked the on-the-fly versions (like the Skypecasts) in 08 to protect his bottom line, I&#8217;d say that something vital was lost in the mix.  I think the best &#8216;quality&#8217; videos, etc., will be available via paid offerings through his partners who will help underwrite and guarantee server load, etc..  But the &#8216;in process&#8217; elements (like Skypecast) will most likely still be available for anyone.<br />
4.  BTW, many of us &#8212; like me &#8212; use personal funds when my school/employer won&#8217;t pay for my conferences&#8230;when I see it as a can&#8217;t-pass-up moment for my larger career.  Even as a presenter, I paid out of my own pocket for the travel/hotel side of things, while Alan&#8217;s team was kind enough to forgo the conference fees itself.   I never once felt held-back because someone else was not willing to pay for something I wanted to attend; I simply saw it as a life and professional investment.  The goal is to not just attend a great conference (by any means necessary) but to offer a presentation yourself. Sometimes this waives the conference tix fees; sometimes you actually get paid.  And when you aren&#8217;t there F2F, we are all blessed in this day and age to even have virtual options. Beginning to complain because someone wants to pay for their efforts and to get paid in return has little value in the larger world of ideas/events.  Instead, we need to adore the gold-rush of virtual opportunities and info-share we do have.<br />
5.  If you can&#8217;t join &#8216;em, build your own.  Why don&#8217;t you create your own conference&#8230;just as Alan did 8 years ago&#8230;and see what happens? He had something like 50 people the first year, and probably not from around the world.  This year he doubled his participants from last year alone, so it wasn&#8217;t too long ago that he was probably just barely breaking even.  This year and beyond? He&#8217;ll probably do better, but not as a guarantee.  But again, he had a vision 8 years ago (or before)&#8230;and he built it on his terms.  How about your vision:  conference planner and presenter?</p>
<p>Cheers to you for pushing on the potential issue&#8230;and also for learning in transparent terms.  And so pleased that the virtual connections of BLC allowed the 2 of us to cross paths on many fronts. Good day to be alive and teach!</p>
<p>Cheers, Christian</p>
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		<title>By: kwhobbes</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-45</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cathy, as you have said, it would not be possible to stop people from skyping in and listening. However, as Ewan and Jim both mention, to have &quot;live&quot; access, there will be a cost. However, I cannot see that it will be any where near what the conference costs and will probably depend on how many sessions you want to &quot;attend&quot;. Although I would take the skyped in version of the conference, I&#039;d like the option to attend virtually for a SMALL fee. I know I could see them after but part of draw is to partake of the events while they are happening. That is what is great about a conference - being there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, as you have said, it would not be possible to stop people from skyping in and listening. However, as Ewan and Jim both mention, to have &#8220;live&#8221; access, there will be a cost. However, I cannot see that it will be any where near what the conference costs and will probably depend on how many sessions you want to &#8220;attend&#8221;. Although I would take the skyped in version of the conference, I&#8217;d like the option to attend virtually for a SMALL fee. I know I could see them after but part of draw is to partake of the events while they are happening. That is what is great about a conference &#8211; being there.</p>
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		<title>By: technotuesday</title>
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		<dc:creator>technotuesday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ewan you are probably correct and mine is probably just a knee-jerk reaction.  I just pray that if the conference goes to live streaming for attendees form afar to participate as you have described, it is not cost prohibitive for me like the conference registration/travel/lodging is at this time.  Even though I moan about the price (afterall my salary is based on Southeastern average for teachers, which is not exactly stellar) I would probably be first in line to shell out the dough.  Hey I know! Why don&#039;t you and other major consultants sponsor my scholarship for next year??  : )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewan you are probably correct and mine is probably just a knee-jerk reaction.  I just pray that if the conference goes to live streaming for attendees form afar to participate as you have described, it is not cost prohibitive for me like the conference registration/travel/lodging is at this time.  Even though I moan about the price (afterall my salary is based on Southeastern average for teachers, which is not exactly stellar) I would probably be first in line to shell out the dough.  Hey I know! Why don&#8217;t you and other major consultants sponsor my scholarship for next year??  : )</p>
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		<title>By: Ewan McIntosh</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewan McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A *huge* misunderstanding, I fear.

Streaming is expensive. That means having physically larger pipes (i.e. digging up concrete), camera people, sound people and technical help. Charging for it is, at the moment, the only possible way to pay the way. The charge could be met through sponsorship, but that&#039;s entirely Alan&#039;s choice as a businessman - he&#039;s been doing this long enough to know whether there&#039;s a market for it.

I&#039;ll be honest - I think Alan really DOES get it and he is keen to have more the the free Skyping in, backchannelling, blogging and so on.

If you want a quality audio video feed, that can be viewed live and in HD quality, live so that you can interact on the Skypechats *as if you were there* then there is a disproportionate price tag, such is the nature of that technology at the moment. But, in return, you get an &quot;almost there&quot; experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A *huge* misunderstanding, I fear.</p>
<p>Streaming is expensive. That means having physically larger pipes (i.e. digging up concrete), camera people, sound people and technical help. Charging for it is, at the moment, the only possible way to pay the way. The charge could be met through sponsorship, but that&#8217;s entirely Alan&#8217;s choice as a businessman &#8211; he&#8217;s been doing this long enough to know whether there&#8217;s a market for it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be honest &#8211; I think Alan really DOES get it and he is keen to have more the the free Skyping in, backchannelling, blogging and so on.</p>
<p>If you want a quality audio video feed, that can be viewed live and in HD quality, live so that you can interact on the Skypechats *as if you were there* then there is a disproportionate price tag, such is the nature of that technology at the moment. But, in return, you get an &#8220;almost there&#8221; experience.</p>
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		<title>By: technotuesday</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>technotuesday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too am waiting for some of the videos.  It was amazing to listen to Bob Sprankle&#039;s session from BLC (almost verbatim NECC) again but this time view the slide share and READ the skypechat that was posted. Really racheted up my learning, even though I could almost say been there, done that, and could&#039;ve skipped this podcast. Glad I didn&#039;t.
Jim, I do hope I am misunderstanding the intentions of the BLC conference.  I look forward to seeing the videos too, though like Janice, I have yet to see anything posted except Sprankle&#039;s material.  I&#039;m going to spend time today looking in YouTube for what Janice mentioned.  And since you say the videos are available, then point me to them.  I haven&#039;t seen them at all.  I definitely would spend some time with them, again, matching them up to the skypechats that have so generously been posted and shared.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am waiting for some of the videos.  It was amazing to listen to Bob Sprankle&#8217;s session from BLC (almost verbatim NECC) again but this time view the slide share and READ the skypechat that was posted. Really racheted up my learning, even though I could almost say been there, done that, and could&#8217;ve skipped this podcast. Glad I didn&#8217;t.<br />
Jim, I do hope I am misunderstanding the intentions of the BLC conference.  I look forward to seeing the videos too, though like Janice, I have yet to see anything posted except Sprankle&#8217;s material.  I&#8217;m going to spend time today looking in YouTube for what Janice mentioned.  And since you say the videos are available, then point me to them.  I haven&#8217;t seen them at all.  I definitely would spend some time with them, again, matching them up to the skypechats that have so generously been posted and shared.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice Stearns</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Janice Stearns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the clarification. I did misunderstand what was going to be offered. However, I only see one video from the conference so far, posted on youtube via the blog at http://nlcommunities.com/communities/blc06/archive/category/6064.aspx Maybe more will be available soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification. I did misunderstand what was going to be offered. However, I only see one video from the conference so far, posted on youtube via the blog at <a href="http://nlcommunities.com/communities/blc06/archive/category/6064.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://nlcommunities.com/communities/blc06/archive/category/6064.aspx</a> Maybe more will be available soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cathy,

I think there is a huge misunderstanding.  Alan talked about live streaming video to sites for virtual participation. To do this he will  need to hire people and pay fees for the bandwidth for the video. That cost money and the fees he charges would cover his cost.

His comment about charging a fee was not for the type of participation you took part in during the conference.

Also, video and materials from BLC are posted.

My humble comments,

Jim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy,</p>
<p>I think there is a huge misunderstanding.  Alan talked about live streaming video to sites for virtual participation. To do this he will  need to hire people and pay fees for the bandwidth for the video. That cost money and the fees he charges would cover his cost.</p>
<p>His comment about charging a fee was not for the type of participation you took part in during the conference.</p>
<p>Also, video and materials from BLC are posted.</p>
<p>My humble comments,</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer W</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What dismays me is that they are just not getting it.......

And what they aren&#039;t getting is the fact that they cannot put a price on virtual learning.........

I can tell you for certain that they cannot block skype calls in -- they cannot block twitter  -- they cannot block blog posts -- and they cannot block wikis --

They can put a price tag perhaps on their provided content -- but they cannot put a price tag on our received content.

I think honestly that Alan November is perhaps kneejerking and will hopefully rethink this.

If not, I feel a rebellion coming on -- for when you start to block content (in this case putting a price tag on it) -- we, will figure out a way to find a workaround.

Thanks for the post -- it was well written.

Jen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What dismays me is that they are just not getting it&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>And what they aren&#8217;t getting is the fact that they cannot put a price on virtual learning&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I can tell you for certain that they cannot block skype calls in &#8212; they cannot block twitter  &#8212; they cannot block blog posts &#8212; and they cannot block wikis &#8211;</p>
<p>They can put a price tag perhaps on their provided content &#8212; but they cannot put a price tag on our received content.</p>
<p>I think honestly that Alan November is perhaps kneejerking and will hopefully rethink this.</p>
<p>If not, I feel a rebellion coming on &#8212; for when you start to block content (in this case putting a price tag on it) &#8212; we, will figure out a way to find a workaround.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post &#8212; it was well written.</p>
<p>Jen</p>
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